Dr Ronnie Gladden stunned n radio hosts on Tuesday morning when they revealed they ‘identify as a white woman’ despite being a black man.
The US-based speaker appeared on The Kyle and Jackie O Show where they explained they specifically wish to identify as Hollywood star Anne Hathaway.
The tenured professor of English, who teaches in Cincinnati, said they discovered they were a white woman at just four years old, shocking hosts Kyle Sandilands and Jackie ‘O’ Henderson.
‘When did you first realise, as a young black man, “Oh shit. I’m actually a white woman?”‘ the shock jock asked Ronnie, who uses they/them pronouns.
‘You wouldn’t believe it if I told you, but I’ll tell you anyway, since you asked me, I was four years old. I’m serious,’ the actor responded.
‘And your family wouldn’t have been on board with that. Surely, they would have been thinking, “Little Ronnie’s fantasising here,”‘ Kyle said.
Ronnie went on to say they kept their identity to themselves for most of their lives, and didn’t even telling their parents how they felt.
‘I just realised the way that my brain was wired, the mapping of it, didn’t match with the mathematics on the outside. And I’m like, “What do I do with that?”‘ they said.
Dr Ronnie Gladden stunned n radio hosts on Tuesday morning when they revealed they ‘ identify as a white woman’ despite being a black man
As for their Anne Hathaway ‘identity’, Ronnie began to point out a bizarre and convoluted connection between themselves and the award-winning actress.
‘So, Anne Hathaway, of course. She’s beautiful, and she can do anything,’ they said.
‘The thing with Anne Hathaway, we know that her partner, as she has said herself, looks a lot like William Shakespeare,
‘And of course, we know “Anne Hathaway” was the name, I believe, of one of Shakespeare’s relatives.
‘And so, I’ve been in some Shakespearean productions, so I just find it cool that there’s that literary connection. And plus, she’s just gorgeous and just brilliant.’
The US-based speaker appeared on The Kyle and Jackie O Show where they explained they specifically wish to identify as Hollywood star Anne Hathaway
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Host Jackie O said: ‘So, is that more a case of you just admire her and would love to look like her, but don’t identify as her?’
Ronnie said: ‘Yeah, I don’t because she’s already taken, right? Isn’t that what Oscar Wilde said? You might as well be yourself because everyone else is taken.
‘She’s already taken. But she is kind of this archetype. There’s something about her energy, her resilience… She represents, I think, a great avatar. Her look. Pale skin.’
Ronnie is part of a little-known community of people who are ‘transgracial’—meaning they are both transgender and identify as transracial.
People who are transracial believe that race is a social construct and therefore a ‘choice’, but the idea of ‘changing’ race is highly controversial.
The tenured professor of English, who teaches in Cincinnati, said they discovered they were a white woman at just four years old, shocking hosts Kyle Sandilands and Jackie ‘O’ Henderson
A famous example of a transracial person is Rachel Dolezal, the former NAACP leader, who, in 2015, was unmasked as a white woman whose family is primarily of European descent.
The revelation provoked outrage around the world and on social media after she said the ‘idea of race is a lie’.
Speaking during an interview with BBC’s Newsnight that year, she claimed that ethnicity is not biological and compared being ‘transracial’ to being transgender—prompting X (formerly Twitter) users to accuse her of using ‘white privilege’ to make her arguments.
Despite the criticism, Rachel doubled down on her transracial identity, describing herself as ‘unapologetically Black’ in a 2019 documentary.
Rachel has praised Ronnie’s work, saying it ‘encourages us to expand our concept of acceptance and inclusion’.